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richardskd Junior Member
Posts : 33 Points : 38 Reputation : 3 Join date : 2011-09-28
| Subject: Advice Wanted Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:10 pm | |
| Hey fellas I have just purchased a decent Italian 18 year old back that I believe with the right training could became a pretty handy player for my team and hopefully future NT honors. Egidio Totera will not be eligble for any Zimbabwe national team until he is 21 but by then he could be a star with 3 years of Lvl5 training. The issue I have is if I train the Italian then I will be dropping a possible ZIM player to the TM who I am currently training. Below are both players stats Seong Heo 17 y/o (R2, D2) | 25,954 CSR | $5,317 p.w. | 185cm | 87kg | Zimbabwe Right handed, left footed, in decent form A psychotic player with controlled discipline, average leadership, and despicable experience. Stamina: Satisfactory Handling: Admirable Attack: Admirable Defense: Reputable Technique: Moderate Strength: Average Jumping: Horrible Speed: Satisfactory Agility: Average Kicking: Admirable Egidio Totera 18 y/o (R6, D6) | 42,411 CSR | $7,009 p.w. | 189cm | 93kg | Italy Right handed, right footed, in decent form A collected player with flawless discipline, decent leadership, and despicable experience Stamina: Princely Handling: Admirable Attack: Impressive Defense: Admirable Technique: Horrible Strength: Moderate Jumping: Limited Speed: Impressive Agility: Reputable Kicking: Average I'd be interested in knowing others thoughts. Doesn't anyone else see NT potential in the Italian player | |
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fatman Veteran
Posts : 498 Points : 583 Reputation : 10 Join date : 2011-03-29 Age : 54 Location : Aberystwyth, Wales Team Name : Chiredzi Hippos
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:15 pm | |
| I guess it depends on which would be more use to your team.. a Zim fly half or an italian winger.
my own opinion is that the fly half is a year younger and due to the scarcity of good kickers in BR he would be a better player and worth more in the long run. | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:59 am | |
| I think you are doing the right thing, but to make it worthwhile it is a mighty long commitment as he cannot play for our U20's. The ZIM youngster is an odd WC season and not spectacular. So really both players are aiming for NT honors with ZIM, with that in mind I'd go the Italian. | |
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markharrison Admin
Posts : 776 Points : 1136 Reputation : 23 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 50 Location : Ilkley, West Yorkshire Team Name : Chinhoyi Rhinos
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:59 am | |
| Personally I would go with the Italian, your young Zim lad has a lot of ground to make up if he is to make the grade for the S16 squad.
Hope this helps. | |
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richardskd Junior Member
Posts : 33 Points : 38 Reputation : 3 Join date : 2011-09-28
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:32 am | |
| Cheers fellas
I am inclined to start training the Italian both for the benefit of my team and if at worst case to only put pressure on other managers to keep training players for NT team. I think in 3 years time he will be a decent 21year back. | |
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seanand Veteran
Posts : 426 Points : 485 Reputation : 11 Join date : 2011-12-21 Age : 34 Location : limerick, ireland Team Name : newcastle west
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:16 am | |
| not sure where to put this so i taught this would be a good place
hi guys just looking on advice on whether to go to lvl 3 ya or to lvl 5 senior facilities. iv currently have 500k in the bank making a lose of 38k a week with a match day profit of 150k and at least 140k price money for top4 in div iii so could afford lvl 5s by end of next season. or start upgrading my ya now? i do pay a nice bit of interest in ya so kind of leaning towards that
what do people think? | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:18 pm | |
| It really does depend on your club and where you re taking it etc.. I am lucky I will have both come April, but with it falling at an odd pulling season and taking such a long time to get up to scratch and a lack of gurantees, I'd go for level 5's first and then concentrate on YA. I was always unsure if level 5's are worth it, but if you have any ambition of training top end players that will make lots of money, win your club trophies, play international rugby, then you should get the training facilities | |
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seanand Veteran
Posts : 426 Points : 485 Reputation : 11 Join date : 2011-12-21 Age : 34 Location : limerick, ireland Team Name : newcastle west
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:51 pm | |
| - Mattt wrote:
- It really does depend on your club and where you re taking it etc.. I am lucky I will have both come April, but with it falling at an odd pulling season and taking such a long time to get up to scratch and a lack of gurantees, I'd go for level 5's first and then concentrate on YA. I was always unsure if level 5's are worth it, but if you have any ambition of training top end players that will make lots of money, win your club trophies, play international rugby, then you should get the training facilities
already made up my mind iv gone with lvl 3 ya with advertising times should be fully set up end of next season | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:06 am | |
| - seanand wrote:
- Mattt wrote:
- It really does depend on your club and where you re taking it etc.. I am lucky I will have both come April, but with it falling at an odd pulling season and taking such a long time to get up to scratch and a lack of gurantees, I'd go for level 5's first and then concentrate on YA. I was always unsure if level 5's are worth it, but if you have any ambition of training top end players that will make lots of money, win your club trophies, play international rugby, then you should get the training facilities
already made up my mind iv gone with lvl 3 ya with advertising times should be fully set up end of next season That is still pretty great. In fairness there is no right or wrong answer to the question | |
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muzza Veteran
Posts : 890 Points : 1150 Reputation : 18 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 37 Location : Reading Team Name : Reading Royals
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:11 am | |
| In my opinion sean you have made the right decision, lvl 3 YA is much more useful as you will be able to sell players you do not train | |
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markharrison Admin
Posts : 776 Points : 1136 Reputation : 23 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 50 Location : Ilkley, West Yorkshire Team Name : Chinhoyi Rhinos
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:20 am | |
| In my opinion sean your wrong lvl5's will benefit your team and Zim more in the long term. But then each to their own, I prefer the training element of the game more than the YA side. Though in general i agree with Matt, there is no right or wrong answer here (though I still say your wrong ) | |
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seanand Veteran
Posts : 426 Points : 485 Reputation : 11 Join date : 2011-12-21 Age : 34 Location : limerick, ireland Team Name : newcastle west
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:39 am | |
| - markharrison wrote:
- In my opinion sean your wrong lvl5's will benefit your team and Zim more in the long term. But then each to their own, I prefer the training element of the game more than the YA side.
Though in general i agree with Matt, there is no right or wrong answer here (though I still say your wrong ) thanks muzza always liked you more than mark. ya maybe but lvl 4s are good enough for me at the moment and lvl5s will come in time be patient | |
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muzza Veteran
Posts : 890 Points : 1150 Reputation : 18 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 37 Location : Reading Team Name : Reading Royals
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:41 am | |
| I could tell sean!
P.S I should be level 5'ing it at some point next season | |
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seanand Veteran
Posts : 426 Points : 485 Reputation : 11 Join date : 2011-12-21 Age : 34 Location : limerick, ireland Team Name : newcastle west
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:43 am | |
| - muzza wrote:
- I could tell sean!
P.S I should be level 5'ing it at some point next season plus next season will be only my fifth season and havent even had lvl 4s for a full season yet | |
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magicoctopus Senior Member
Posts : 92 Points : 109 Reputation : 1 Join date : 2012-02-29 Age : 36 Location : Dublin Team Name : Little Lion Men
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:41 am | |
| I think ill be headin the YA way too. A good source of money and be able to train my own superstars. Plus selling the youths might bring me closer to lvl5...thoughts? | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:53 pm | |
| Would not rely on the YA being a way of achieving income. Very rarely do clubs make a profit from the YA so if that is the reason you are going for it you might be disappointed, even if it does work out, it wont for a long time, minimum a season | |
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muzza Veteran
Posts : 890 Points : 1150 Reputation : 18 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 37 Location : Reading Team Name : Reading Royals
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:31 am | |
| I disagree Mattt, I don't have the numbers to hand, but I am definately sure that I have made money from the YA over the seasons which I have them | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:38 am | |
| Yea but you have trained guys hard for quite a while to make that money? | |
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Safe Hands Veteran
Posts : 486 Points : 731 Reputation : 7 Join date : 2011-04-30 Age : 42 Location : Rugby Team Name : Koodoo Rand Diamond Geezers
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:00 am | |
| Had a look at my YA history and I have had level 3s for about the last 4 seasons During my time of having level 3s Running Costs | | YA maintenance | 20,000 | YA Coach wages | 12,500 | YA scout wages | 12,500 | Weekly Total | 45,000 | Season Total | 720,000 | 4 Season Total | 2,880,000 |
Income from Player Sales | | Season 14 | 132,000 | Season 13 | 383,834 | Season 12 | 9,000 | Season 11 | 50,000 | Total Player Sales | 554,834 |
Thats a loss of 2,325,166 over 4 seasons My prize money has been Season 14 | 64,800* | Season 13 | 57,600 | Season 12 | 54,000 | Season 11 | 48,600 | Total Prize Money | 225,000 |
*Estimated based on current position Setup costs were 450,000 for level 3s That gives a total spend of 3,330,000 And total income of 779,834 Giving a net loss of 2,550,166 There has however been many players I haven't sold on promotion they are Name | Promoted CSR | Gideon Chinodya | 17,881 | Benedict Namasaka | 30,446 | Allan Nguma | 31,609 | John Omulu | 33,796 | Nashe Zhatata | 20,785 | Simbarashe Biti* | 20,334 | Maurice Duncan | 22,714 | Kiptoo Mwatasa | 15,610 | Lavin Mwachogoa | 19,924 | Okella Musa | 20,344 |
*Sold for 225,000 after using 123 individual training sessions (went for 450,000 6 weeks later with prob no more ind sessions) The players I have kept would have to average about 200,000 for me to break about even which may have been possible as I have kept most of the better players but I doubt I would have made a lot if anything at all. However since I first got level 3s there has been several increases in the amount of training provided meaning results should be better from now on. At first level 3s were no real improvement on level 1s apart from the scout. Also there was the whole star hoarding going on so I haven't promoted as many players over the seasons as I would now and I haven't included any possible income the players currently in my juniors may bring. I imagine there are plenty of managers that have made more money than I have from their academy but I have kept all the best prospects including several heavy players which would have cost a small fortune. I can't say for sure whether you will make money from having a good academy but it will add a bit more excitement and you need patience as it will take a few seasons to reap the rewards | |
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Mattt Admin
Posts : 919 Points : 1261 Reputation : 20 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 33 Location : Cardiff, Wales Team Name : Old But Gold
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:52 pm | |
| Great post there.
Having set mine up for this season I am looking forward to seeing how it it goes next season as it will be the first time I will have a YA that has the potential to actually deliver talented youngsters. With so many on the TM I can see why it is hard to make the big bucks without training for a period of time, they really do have to be fat, tall or pretty special. However lucky you do get, I really don't think you can rely on it as a cash cow. | |
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seanand Veteran
Posts : 426 Points : 485 Reputation : 11 Join date : 2011-12-21 Age : 34 Location : limerick, ireland Team Name : newcastle west
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:25 pm | |
| interesting read safe hands. i think its possible to make a profite yes but i wouldnt count on it for it unless you get lucky really | |
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muzza Veteran
Posts : 890 Points : 1150 Reputation : 18 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 37 Location : Reading Team Name : Reading Royals
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:20 pm | |
| - Mattt wrote:
- Yea but you have trained guys hard for quite a while to make that money?
Well, certainly the £3.8m I got from Merriman sale was due to the hard training, but even without that I feel that I have made money. Will go back and check the stats and show a detailed analysis later. | |
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muzza Veteran
Posts : 890 Points : 1150 Reputation : 18 Join date : 2010-09-29 Age : 37 Location : Reading Team Name : Reading Royals
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:47 pm | |
| So my costs from YA will be about the same as Safehands, I first had level 3's in season 10, but got rid of them for a couple of seasons in the middle.
These are my player sales from YA
Todd Pride 380,472 Jason Woodgate 2,001 Aidan Hunter 23,001 Mohammed Grufffudd 1 Ray Dell 3,001 Frasier Naylor 22,004 Iestyn Jenkins 1,001 Chogugudza Rademeyer 1,001 Nokutendaishe Segura 17,000 Nathan April 80,000 Colin McColl 1,001 Tamuka Chinodya 27,000 Fito Noguera 11,001 Howie Roper 45,000 Ndumiso Shiri 16,000 Tapiwa Cullen 8,001 Samson Tshabalala 13,000 Mnqobi Gweru 5,001 Ronnie Stather 280,000 Jerome Brock 32,000 Lester Male 53,060 Abednigo Tata 364,140 Makomborero Garaba 82,456 Ndabezinhle Rafemoyo 270,938 Dakarai Kuwana 118,590 Travis Merriman 3,800,000 Nigel Hellings 171,392 Jonathan Webber 89,883 Clint Speare 104,040 Shungedzumwoyo Digby 18,000
Thats a total of 6,039,985 from player sales (2,239,985 without Merriman).
The only ones there who had proper training were Merriman and Tata (for one season). | |
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magicoctopus Senior Member
Posts : 92 Points : 109 Reputation : 1 Join date : 2012-02-29 Age : 36 Location : Dublin Team Name : Little Lion Men
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:31 am | |
| I think I will leave the YA system to sean and see how he gets on...I will save my money up for lvl5 facilities. However I did advertise for another lvl4 attack and defense trainer just in case you guys want me to train up some U20's when i arrive...because I was a bit short in that department. I also invested in a youth manager, just so i could see any decent youths. So my budget is down to 350k | |
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Flintoff Veteran
Posts : 159 Points : 193 Reputation : 6 Join date : 2011-07-24 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Advice Wanted Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:10 am | |
| As someone who tries to be as frugal as they can when it comes to expenses - but likes a gamble. I have approached the YA in a skeletal manner.
L1 coach, no facilities paid for (e.g. buy and sell each week) - forgotten twice and had to pay an extra $5k/each time, grumble, brief forays into L1 manager x2, although never seen any benefit from this, and I have recently purchased a L3 scout.
The plan is get them to 17 and promote them ASAP if they are decent, maintain a squad of players that will be competitive and likely to come in the top 3 of the YA league. Preference for tight 5 forwards
Overall expenditure (Inc all fees) $796k Overall money in (sales and prizes) $346k
Outstanding talent (estimated value on promotion): Shane Barrow - 200k Gattinara - 30k
Current talent in YA squad: 5x 20 stars, 2x 16 stars, 2x 10 stars
to have made a profit those still in the YA would have to average 3k/star investment - which is unlikely, having said that as they are U20 WC season contenders it is possible. Next season (this will be closer to 2.24k/star) and the following season closer to 1.8k/star as there will be more of an influx of 10 star "free" players. Even with this strategy - i am not sure there is the market to guarantee each 10 star chap being worth 20k.
In short: a skeletal YA does not bankrupt you; but in my case it does not make you that any money whilst setting up. The benefit is that once you are set up, the costs effectively diminish for increased returns (no more fees and increased number of "free" 10 star players).
as an aside the 'flip-flop' of buy and selling L1 YA facilities in this set up has saved me $170k (including weeks I forgot), not to be sniffed at if you are planning to run such a set-up and if I had ignored the manager throughout the set-up would probably be just about breaking even.
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